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Very much relate to this thinking on Zen and to some of the upstream influences in early Buddhism, particularly Nagarjuna.

J. I. (Hans) Bakker's avatar

To apply "American 21st century ideas about something US citizens all Zen" is one thing. To actually apply the real South Asian - East Asian - Southeast Asian variants of what is popularly called "Zen" in English is quite another! Ludwig Wittgenstein's idea of throwing away "the ladder" is a metaphor. I do like comparing the idea of a physical ladder to a physical scaffolding. (At age 79, as a retired prof, I feel I have many ladders, an elaborate scaffolding.) But Substack Joe mentions Nagarjuna. Nagarjuna was not a US citizen living in the 21st century in the USA. Check out what Randall Collins (1998) says about the real origins of "Zen" in terms of the idea of those who tried to escape from the constraints of various political and political economic circumstances of their own times. (It was somewhat different for what we now call the People's Republic of China than it had been in what we now call Nepal and India.)

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